they think that we just like obama because he's black. we like obama -- >> we don't hate him for that. >> that's right, that's exactly right. so i think if you look at what happened in virginia and cuccinelli, we learned a hard lesson in 2009 and 2010, that we don't want to repeat again. so we see as going into this midterm in 2013 and 2014, the elections this year, we certainly understand that the ramifications, if we lose, are much greater than what we thought in 2008 and 2009. so now folks are showing up. black people are showing up, young people are showing up, latinos are showing up, women are showing up. and we're not going to let it happen again. >> so i really -- these numbers for me, just the numbers about black turnout across the last four statewide elections in virginia. so 2008, you have 20% of african-american, of the electorate is african-american, the same thing is true in 2012, the same thing is true in 2013. in each of those, you end up with a democratic winner at the statewide level. but in '09, up with of these election